Lifetime Elite Status Qualifications To Be Lowered by Marriott Rewards? | The Gate
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FlyerTalk members are mixed on this apparent forthcoming change in the criteria for qualification of lifetime elite status in the Marriott Rewards frequent guest loyalty program: while some are thrilled that it may become significantly easier to qualify for lifetime elite status, others are unhappy, saying that the number of elite members of the Marriott Rewards frequent guest loyalty program will increase substantially — therefore devaluing elite status — and that the supposed changes are unfair to those who earned lifetime elite status the “hard way.”
My view on this:
Most of those that have made Lifetime Platinum (LTP) under the much more stringent critera are most likely not going to like the change as they made LTP though a lot of effort while those that get it cheaply and easily will like the change, even though they must know that it further dilutes the LTP perks. Too bad Marriott does not address the more significant issues raised by Insiders such as Suite upgrades, Breakfast 7 days a week, etc. etc etc. rather than continuing dilution of the elite status!!! It would be nice to see Marriott rewarding their most loyal customers rather than continually diluting their benefits.
I wonder what the population is of LTP members? I am not one, but with the revised numbers I might get there next year if my travels are the same as this year.
I am very curious myself!
If everyone eventually becomes Elite, I do not understand the value of achieveing the level the hard way like I did. A simple devaluation. I thought Marriott was better than this. I simply do not get it. Why would anyone work hard to make the levels and keep them once they are there? Seems like a very desperate measure to me for no good reason except a simple quick gain for those trying to achieve, and probably less spending for those already there. What is going to happen in a year or two when I want to get a hard earned upgrade and they are all taken by wannabees? I am a bit bitter about this whole thing. I simply do not understand the reasoning here.
I was disappointed by the reduction that was proposed (or is) to the LTP program. As a long term member and not that much of a frequent stayer but very loyal the LTP was a major goal of mine for retirement. I agree that this will just add more folks to the program making the benifits less for all. While I am now on the cusp of LTP it would not have hurt my feelings to make the gold easier and the platinum harder and then make the perks better for LTP. As it is once you make LTP it might be better for the remainder of your business life to move to another company to get their lifetime program going. Love Marriott and they have been good to me since 1987 but not real happy with this change even though I may not have made it to LTP in a harder program
You are not alone.
Once again MR misses the mark, and will lose some more of their "most valued customers" !
The 50% bonus points are the only tangible benefits we can demand and track effectively. All others, upgrades, free breakfasts, etc....etc..... are dependent upon the hotel management, check in clerk, and whether or not they actually know what an "elite status" is. Oh...my bad, I forgot about the "dedicated" phone line....................so sue me.
So why wouldnt Marriott cheapen the LTP criteria, it will cost them next to nothing any time soon. The outlay is minimal. Minimal expenditures will accrue over a long period of time. Cutbacks, benefit degradation, increases in prices and points and switch and baits will more than make up for this "improvement to benefits", and maybe, just maybe, that will shut DEJAMO up. With his continual complaining that Marriott never does anything to expand their benefits for Platinum Elites.
You are so negative ! All you and the other naysayers want to do is complain that we never do anything except erode benefits ! You never have anything positive to say. See what we just did We made it more easy to attain LTP . Isnt that an increase in benefits ?
We just showed you !
Ha! Love it DEJAMO! Yes, everybody is special! Everyone is ELITE in our beautiful little socialist utopian world!
Marriott better get with the "program".
Is everybody special now because most of the world is using Iphones? (Hmmmmmmmmm....)
Elite is Elite, should be very hard to get, therefore that is why there are LEVELS of elite. If they devalue this, after how long and hard, and the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars I have spent with them, then this is probably my last straw. I will simply mail my PLE card back and indicate that maybe somebody else may need it. Will not do me any good since the Platinum & Gold line will probably be the longest now at the front desk, so I might as well quietly walk right up to the general check-in counter with no line or wait.
Please realize, Marriott, how this devaluation to your best customers is, to me, the biggest slap in the face that I can truly think of...............
I can't believe all the whining from some of you. Because of the new qualifications, I will now be lifetime platinum. I just became lifetime gold during the past year. I've been in the Marriott program for 15+ years and have close to 3,000,000 lifetime Marriott rewards points. I achieve platinum status almost every year, although some years it is a struggle. So how would my achieving lifetime platinum this year instead of a year or two later affect anyone else's benefits, when I would have already been Platinum for those years anyway? I just don't get it.
Thanks Marriott. What a great Christmas present that a lot of us really appreciate. You have certainly earned my loyalty now and for many years in the future.
You now have close to 3M points, you have been with MR for 15 years.....AND you have been PE for at least one of those years. We all applaud your efforts. From your post, I also surmise that you are near, or just over the 750 nights over the past 15 years.......hmmm...............about 50 on average a year seems to me. Still nothing to sneeze at...................... A lot.
Don't you think you should have already been a LTP ? I mean with all of your brand loyalty shown over the past years, and the copious amount of $$ spent ?
Let's wait a few more years and forget about all of the REAL, TANGIBLE benefits that are so deserved, requested and ignored ad nauseum, and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overdue to the "most valued customers".
In a few years then, we can and will further reduce the requirements as follows:
LTS - 500,000 points, 5 years with MR, 1 year as SE, and at least 100 lifetime nights
LTG - 750,000 points, 7 years with MR, 1 year as GE, and at least 200 lifetime nights
LTP - 1,000,000 points, 10 years with MR, 1 year as PE, and at least 500 lifetime nights.
PP - Every year, we will just make something up, and not tell anybody. That way, no one will know really what they are, and we cant be held to it. But we will send out a few PP card to a few, along with a Cherry BlowPop, and a note from Bill about his 250th birthday, to shut up our "most valued customers" like DEJAMO, for a few months.
God forbid that the PP rules exist in writing anywhere, then 20 percent of the blogs on the rags would go away, and everyone would know them. I mean do we go back to the Ice Age, or rebuild the Berlin Wall if they are published ? No............If MR doesnt publish them anywhere, they can not be held accountable for those that "think" they meet the requirements, and therefor assign PP benefits at will. Sometimes the PE line clerks "think" they know what the requirements are, but you wont find anything in writing from MR stating exactly what they are.
Let's talk about PP benefits while we are at it...............Now you are privvy to a triple secret - (gang members only), extensive asymetric algorithym required, TYCO-esque benefits club in the world. You still may be subject to hit or miss benefits at the behest of some certain unsuspecting properties. And may even get a coupon for a free breakfast at one of them when all of the stars align, and the moon is full. But hey...........quit complaining because you will get an online subscription to the WSJ, or better yet, a $1.99 Solar Charger as a PP gift........so you will have nothing to complain about right ?
In the meantime, lets all be happy that the millions wasted on the social network that MRI provides, allows the tangible benefits to be evaluated on an apparent recycleable, 20 year plan of action basis, but yet allows us to continually to vent our repeated frustrations.
I'm all for that.....................aren't you ????????????? You should be ! I mean, it would not affect anyone elses benefits, right ?
You must really stay at some swank hotels..................I mean.they have special lines at hotels ? Do the hotel clerks at these hotels know about them ? Where in the world did you find such a place ? Oh..I get it..............you said JUMBO shrimp !
Your turn erc..................
Actually I will end the year with about 850 nights. I couldn't find anything to verify how many years I've been in the program, but it's probably between 15 and 20 years. So even though someone else has more lifetime nights than I do, have they really been more loyal than I have? If I always stay in a Marriott if possible whether on business or pleasure, IMO I am just as loyal as anyone. I'm not sure how I could have been any more loyal than that. We also bought 4 timeshare weeks from Marriott, which adds about $100,000 to the amount of money we've spent with Marriott over the years. How do you think that counts on the loyalty scale? Is that something to sneer at as well? The nights for those weeks were not even counted toward the elite night total until several years ago. I'm not sure why you think your opinion about any of this is more important than mine.
Hi Thomas44. I do not think Dejamo was trying to get on you personally. He is simply a fired up man on a mission!
From what I can observe, and I am reitterating to anybody in admin who may be reading ("?") that you should have been lifetime Platinum a long time ago. How you are not is beyond me. I asked somebody on the phone a few years a go who seemed to be knowledgable in the lifetime realm, what was the final line in making me Lifetime Plat., and was told "Along with being one of our first members, you had enough nights, enough points, etc, and something you did back in 1999 which really cemented the invite" I begged the lady to tell me what this ambiguous statement meant, but no matter how much prodding I did, she would not reveal this "special something". I really wish I knew, as this would have given me a lot of precious ground to stand on, which I would eliminate a lot of the quarreling and questioning which goes on about this whole mysterious attainment.
I was sent my Lifetime credentials back in 2004, and when I looked back about what I did, the only thing I could come up with in 1999 was that I spent a lot of time in Hong Kong before released from the British, as well as spend a lot of time in mainland China, such as Bejing, which was peppered with stays at hotels which were becoming Marriott during my tenure there. It was all somewhat surreal. Some places I got Marriott points, and others I did not. Almost random. I do not see anything else I did noteworthy which would explain what the lady rep was talking about unless I was like the 1,000,000th marriott visitor to the Communist Capital. I have no idea what she was referring to. (I would consider that she made it up, but was able to quickly fire facts about me which were specific and without hesitation. I just really wish she would have told me what I did in 1999)
I hope they realize how valuable you are to the Marriott brand and do something to show appreciation. Best luck to you.
Aah dejamo my Insiders forum, well spoken, but always a bit too revved up for me, pal; since you're always so good about responding to me - in spite of my better instincts during this joyous holiday season, I'll jump into this little brouhaha.
You know my thoughts about all this razzmatazz - we spend too much time arguing amongst ourselves and less time holding Marriott's feet to the fire regarding customer service (not to be confused with perqs, entitlements, gifts - just plain ol' respect) toward elites. I'm not too keen about questioning anyone's attitude about anything regarding Marriott's 'benefits' package to longtime loyal customers. If IMO, it gets too strong, I just move on to other posts - no big whoop.
If something is an irritant to a long time, big revenue contributor, (virtually by definition, a sophisticated consumer) which essentially all lifetime plats, plat premiers, and many golds are, then who am I to say that they are whining? So, I've got no dog in this spat. I'm too busy trying to keep Marriott from squeezing extra dollars from my wallet with some of their multiple AAA prices, Marriott rewards offers higher than the standard rate, and other such pricing gems that Mr. D.R. Roberts has dreamed up for us.
I will say, that having read a post earlier this year by thomas44 about no blackout dates being in his words, "a big fat lie" and "that despite all the encouragement by Marriott to wait and see....the truth is, we've all been screwed" (which I didn't regard as whining) that I was somewhat surprised to see him concerned about others whining and would much prefer to see some, no doubt useful travel insights, from his over 850 nights.
I just got back from a great trip in Arizona enjoying all the great restaurant tips made by Insiders
Will be posting photos soon and then no doubt off to the Fat Farm to work off the pounds of holiday cheer.
Quoting that renowned philospher Rodney King, "Can we all get along?". Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night.
My post was not a sneer at your loyalty to MR...........and I again applaud your exhuberance with MR. 4 Timeshare weeks with MVCI ? YOU GO GERL !. Enjoy those benefits while you can, as those along with every other will erode away, leaving you with the basics. They had me once as well, but I finally off loaded my 2 week chastity belt (with a loss I might add), just to dump it and enjoy a more lucrative timeshare deal/benefits with another "lodging vendor".
Well, Well, Well..............erc(ky).................you need better instincts then my friend ! I have never backed down from a debate, and "call em as I see em". Be instinctive, cuss in church on Sunday, act irresponsible for a change, have some fun..............liven up the party, pee in the pool once in a while...........................
My "instincts" have served me well over my lifetime, without any regrets. Well, there was that one time in Vegas...........but hey.........everyone has an ex wife right ????????????????
I enjoy the banter, and respect everyones opinion, as long as it is similar to mine. For those that are not, I just chalk it up to drugs.....................
My opinions are just that.......my opinions....................yep..............I have been there and done that.............................. a couple thousand nites.............multimillion points....... over 20 years.....................PP status this year/LTP........but who is counting. But, as you know from my previous posts........I divorced MR stays after April of this year, and got tired of drinking the kool-aid, because of inaction, despite years of loyal customer gripes. "Moved on up", just like the Jeffersons to IHG Ambassador, and Priority Diamond, which I might add, sure leaves another (unmentioned chain) in the dust.....
But hey, like I said...................thats just me.....and to each his or her own.
You want to know what the sad thing is..........................my initial post is 100% correct. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong regarding any benefits upgrade across the board to PP's............ None.........................OK then..........One of my points exactly................next question please...................................
It must be true.....it's on the internet ............. and besides, even alrenaissance thinks it is so ! And he is my pal........and I always fight for my pals...................
As long as Al Gore is Chairman of the Board for the internet thingypoo............I will have access to it...........and if I am not in my stoner mood.....will demand my 1st amendment right to watch my taxes go to hell...........!
erc.......................from the looks in your picture........your Barrette is soooooooooooooo 1980 ! And, as long as we are quoting.....it was either OJ Simpson, or Oscar Wilde ( I can't remember which, as I have not talked to either in a while), "Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go "!
Before you get all emotional on me.............a - I am always happy and eye am a reel guud spellir........................................................ and b - I am not going anywhere.........I am fine where I iz, thank you !
See.............I am in the joyous holiday spirit as well................
Well, yes I have an ex-wife, and I do still agree with the PP statment! Anyway, lines are being drawn here quickly. That I can see for sure. I will be right back to comment some more shortly. ALERT the MEDIA!!
ERC. You are always able to draw from a vast repertoire of pictures. I think I voted for you in this aspect on the latest vote that came around. May have voted GemPrincess as well. Cannot remember which!
I love special lines Dejamo. Just waited in one at the Steeler game today while we lost to Cincinatti. Had a sign that said "men" on the front. LOL!!!
Just to make it clear - not whining- I will still stay at marriotts as they have been very good to me for a long time especially when I was active duty. However I think it is fair that someone who has been loyal for for over 25 yrs it is fair for us to let the company know our thoughts on these issues. There is clearly a balance to this issue - goals to far off appear unobtainable and make loyalty hard to lock in - too easy and everyone gets the perk and there is a limited supply of goodies and then the reward level is of no help as you never get the reward. Just think of room upgrades like first class seat - there are only so many of them so 20 are competing for 2 rather than 10 competing for the same number. Rate of success will go down - griping will go up and the program will suffer. I have 25 yrs of membership, 7.5 million points but only 930 nights. It was a big deal for me to prob. go over the 1000 night level in 2013 but now not so much.
I just can't see hoards of new lifetime platinums sucking up all the platinum benefits. IMO most of these people are probably like me and would continue to achieve platinum status every year until they reached lifetime platinum, no matter how long it took. This would make no difference in the number of platinums trying to get upgrades, etc. For the few that have retired and stopped traveling very much and who are now suddenly lifetime platinum, again, if they're traveling very infrequently, it will make little to no difference to anyone else.
Very good, Thomas44. I agree. Sometimes the places I go to aren't always even that full anyway. And with fewer years required, maybe it's more competitive with other brands now. I don't know what the other brands are requiring.
Things are always changing, and often for the better.
When I was in college, I got a workship for so many hours making 45 cents an hour to go towards the $500 workship that had already been paid to the college in my behalf. The year afterwards, the courts ruled they had to pay minimum wage, which was $1.65 / hr. then. Why would I have begrudged anyone else from getting more just because I got less?
Maybe the benefits to platinum will diminish a bit, but it also might help our children get there easier and maybe even our grandchildren (if I had any).
Children? Grandchildren? Really?
That comment is freakin' me out a little bit. The elite status is certainly not inherited. They would need to earn it on their own. Once again, if the elite status is spread around too much, it is no longer "elite" if everyone has it. We all wish the best for our kids, but wow, that is pushing it a bit much. No?
I am totally amazed that you hsve not been offered Lifetime Platinum yet. Is there some way you can call and simply ask what is up with that? Or is it specifically by invite only like I was asked back in 2003-2004?
All it takes now is to click your heels together 3 times, and chant "theirs no place like Hilton, theres no place like Hilton, there's no place like Hilton....................
It never ceases to amaze me.
If it really mattered to me, I would probably rent out all the suites on the 8th floor of the Marriott Suites, right down the road from the corporate HQ, invite my friends to stay their, grab picket signs and protest right across the street .
But, alas............it does not matter to me anymore, MR stays are in my past and I have nothing left to prove.
I just enjoy watching people moan and groan and not do anything about it.
And of course, I amuse myself with the banter from time to time........
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night, and a Happy New Year!!
Same to you eb5147, and Happy Holidays to all other members as well!
Aw man, are you serious?
Is this all I can do, retro?
I have already done the Hilton thing, for 10 years at least. Millions of points. Embassy suites in 35 states last count (do miss Embassy's though I must say!)
Overall I have, well me personally at least, been better treated at Marriott properties. I simply seem to get my way for some reason. I do not know. Luck, personality, something.
Now that some time ago Hilton got rid of the 100,000 point Hawaii week deal, which went on for 20-25 years, and was the best value for points EVER by ANY hotel chain I can think of, is gone, I do not see much left to, shall we say "come home to".
I think I will hang with Marriott for now. That may change. Currently see no reason. I was seriously addicted to EEO's for a long time. Both food and stays. If they come back, I will be firmly entrenched in Marriott again for sure.
So I assume you are Hilton heavy now? What kind of places are you staying, Embassy, Conrad? How often? Am I missing something which is new which I should be aware of? Please enlighten me if you would be so generous!
Happy holidays - Al
Yep, top tiers at both IHG and Priority Club, The Ambassador program at IHG is the shiznit............... Many vacation destinations.......and never an issue with upgrades.
Plain ole Hilton Diamond and Priority Club Platinum as well have never failed to give upgrades, status is always recognized, just a more definitive feeling upon checkin at every location, that they really care about your business, and they actually know about the tier levels, what they represent, and that you do have choices, and they want you to stay with them.
My first night as a IHG Diamond, I was at the Hilton Rosehall in Montego Bay, Jamaica.......sent up a bottle of wine and a cracker/cheese tray, suite ocean view upgrade at check in. Ever since top tier, never had to ask for upgrades at any of the properties I have stayed at (Hiltons, Hampton Inn's or Embassy Suites), same thing with Priority Club properties.
Don't have to ask for anything as top tier......sure is a nice departure from Marriott, as more times than not, you have to ask for what you want.
Both of them in my humble view, just seem to have their customer service orientation bar set more towards True North.
Hope your holidays are as much fun as mine..........
I was ambassador status back in 2000-2005. Think that may have been when the ambassador program came out. was called Intercontinental only back then, and did do me a lot of good twice for a month at a time at Intercontinental in Paris near the Lourve. The program did not seem to be very well developed at that time. It was not even called IHG back then. I should check into it more now. I know Hilton will do Level matching for being Plat Marriott. I would imagine that IHG does as well. I will start thinking about this heavy. You are a bad influence (bad for Marriott!) herr Dejamo
I am a little confused as to why you just became Lifetime Gold last year with this type of spending and stays under your belt. So you only became lifetime Gold last year, and now you will be lifetime Platinum the next with no other massive expendature changes? Pardon me if I am incorrect, but the numbers do not seem to be aligning here properly. Seems to me they may have owed you LP for some time, or it could be part of the mysterious PP distribution. (????)
I was told that at some hotels, 80% of the guest are platinum. And we wonder why we are not getting the benefits that we feel we earned. Just wait soon there will be more and as you say eventually we all will be platinum. Then what?
How does one know their lifetime points total?
you need to call Marriott Rewards. They will provide that info readily.
One can't help wonder why an Elite Program becomes open for the masses? The word "elite" infers the opposite. If you research the data, customers prefer a multi-tiered partnership program that clearly defines what they get for their loyalty. If you devalue this go to market strategy, you devalue your customers. Just ask Continental and United Airlines' presumed market masters. When they merged programs into a vanilla elite program, their customers were not happy, including myself. The lesson learned from that merger was that if want to maintain loyalty you need to protect your customer's status and their associated benefits. In the absence of this simple marketing concept, customers will seek out a different elite program and gravitate toward what they expect - loyalty for loyalty.
So, if you must change the program for the casual customer, create another layer and call it what it is - Semi-Elite. Or, create a Diamond Program that clearly differentiates the time and money your best customers put in to obtain that status. But, do not think your best customers don't know what's going on with a bundled vanilla program. As a current Gold member, I would rather not change hotels, but looks like the rules have changed and so will I.
VERY well put, and my thoughts about this exactly! I will change as well if I am devalued over some "silly" for lack of a better word, changes which are being proposed. Enough is enough, and not just with Marriott but many other things in life. It seems to me that the old phrase is more powerful then ever:
"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it"
Have a nice holidays! - Al
The way I see it, if someone still travels enough to earn Elite status, then 1 of these will occur when you achieve lifetime status:
1) You continue staying at a Marriott, in which case nothing has changed -- benefits aren't diluted since you have status anyhow.
2) You stay at a Marriott LESS than before since you no longer need to stay there to maintain your status. You can stay at a competitor and achieve status there too. So, once again, benefits aren't diluted since that's once less Elite guest to compete with.
Now, if you no longer travel enough to have earn status then, sure, in the relatively rare occasion you stay at a Marriott you may be taking benefits from someone else. I don't know if that would cancel out case #2 above.
I have been a member since the original Marquis program (my MR # starts with 000 5...), and have been a lifetime platinum for several years. Since there really aren't benefits any more for being platinum, it doesn't matter that they are lowering the requirements. I recall receiving better recognition as a basic 'Marquis' member than I now receive as a lifetime platinum.
I think Marriott is trying to alienate the long-term loyal customers who became accustomed to superior customer service and recognition. They would prefer newer members who don't expect much.
Sometimes I wonder why am I up so late...er.........early......... looking at this stuff.
This time I know why, as I just booked a nice 7 day all inclusive Hilton Carribean vacation on points.......................(is that considered cussing and violation of TOC here on MRI ) ?
a week at an all-inclusive Resort sounds great? How many points did it take? Were you upgraded by the fine folks at Hilton? I have found that the points needed for 'free nights' at Hilton are always ridiculously high. Would love to hear the specifics.
I have Hilton points and stayed at the Hampton Inn in Jackson Hole for 40,000 points and the cost would have been $350. Later, I decided to add another night and the cost shot up to 120000. One could but them if you don't have them for $1200. This is where it sours but if you get there at the right time, it is good.
40k for a Hampton Inn is pretty steep. thanks for the proof I needed.
Marriott points and Hiltons are not equal. Hiltons are easier to get and I think worth less.
Hilton 40,000 for a room that cost at the best rate $350.
Courtyard Kauai 25,000 for a room that cost $170 at the best rate. In other cases one can find a better deal with Marriott and am only using this to compare.
With this comparison, The Hilton was a better deal.
I found that Hilton offers a few rooms at a good point price and when they are gone, the points needed sky rocket and that is when it is a bad deal.
A details comparison:
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/2012/04/12/hilton-hhonors-vs-marriott-rewards-hotel-reward-category-distribution/ Hilton HHonors vs. Marriott Rewards hotel reward category distribution - Loyalty Travelerhttp://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/2012/04/12/hilton-hhonors-vs-marriott-rewards-hotel-reward-category-distribution/
I see a lot of griping by Lifetime Platinum Members who earned their status the "hard way". It has been my experience that most of these "lifers" earned the status by business travelling on someone else's dime. So just how is that the "hard way"? I pay for all my travel myself from saving my money that I worked for the "hard way". If it bothers the "lifers" so much that someone else might earn Platinum, maybe they should just switch to SPG and earn that status, or maybe Hilton would work out well. I am gold at Hilton and also have a bundle of SPG points. However, I find that the Marriott Rewards program is far superior to either. What a bunch of prima donnas!
Sorry. No Prima Donna situation here. At most, 25% of my trips were covered by business. I have been them all. Platinum with SPG, Embassador with IHG, Diamond with Hilton and even Diamond with Hyatt. Do you know how hard the latter is? There are only like 100 Hyatt's in the U.S., or some low number like that I do not understand why you would suggest switching. What does that have to do with the subject?
So although I do agree with you about Marriott being the best (based on experience), I do not agree with you that watering down of benefits by the influx of many more members competing for limited benefits is not "griping". The very fact that Marriott points (along with Hyatt) are the hardest to get to me makes them more valuable also. Anybody can get IHG and Hilton points as simply as trading in Coke rewards or registering credit cards with the various dining programs. Although I am somewhat torn about the whole easier to get lifetime status, I am leaning much more against making it easy.
I also do not understand the point of "somebody else's dime" either. All that equates to is it being quicker and easier for others still using somebody else's dime to reach the loyalty level we have worked so hard to attain. Many people who travel a lot for business give up a lot. Time with family, etc. It is not a constant traveling party theme. So for those business travelers who had to travel 100 nights or more a year can now simply have somebody who travels 25 nights a year (still on the business dime) achieve the same level does not really wash with me.
That is where the disparity lies for me, Nadine.
Al, I was not really suggesting that Marriott reward members switch. I was just saying that if one is so unhappy with the Marriott, go try Hilton, or SPG and see how far their "hard earned" points take them. I realize that travelling for business is not all party time, but if the job is that tough, find another. That is a balancing act that most business travellers decide of their own free will that the travel benefits them in the long run and consider the travel one of the perks of the job.
In reality Platinum means nothing unless you are staying at full service Marriott or Renaissance and still you are at the mercy of the check in clerk who seems to think he or she owns the hotel. I rarely am offered an upgrade without asking, or weekend breakfast coupons without demanding. Platinum means so little anyway, so what is the big deal if a few more people are in the lounge. It is not like Platinum is some elite country club that only certain members of our society can join.
awwwwwwwwwwwww Nadine.................no need to air our dirty laundry as "lifers"..........we like a good fight, and tons of us have taken your advice long ago and moved to the greener pastures of other hotel chains.
Tonite for example, I am in Montego Bay Jamaica at the Hilton Rose Hall...........loving every minute of it................Havent stayed at a Merryrat since April when I protested benefit degradation, lip service...........and status recognition. As a PP no one at the Land of Oz apparently cared, so I took all of my business and the business of 22 other PE's and we walked. Could not have made a better move
Our measley $ 4.5 million business revenue for merryrat, apparently was not worth their trouble, not even written letters from 3-PPP's, 18-P's and us 4 LTP's....................seminars, metings, parties.............didnt matter.......but since April they have had 4750 extra rooms to give to someone, sine we all moved on. So in my world, we are helping the non lifers by opening inventory for you. See...we do our part !
Hilton, SPG, and Priority Club are doing a great job, and never have any issues upgraded their top tiers.
Al, you asked about my MOBAY Trip I am on................New Years Eve was a blast.............New Years day/afternoon........my liver hurt..........................that is such an evil organ, and needs punished once in a while.
Staying here on points, all inclusive, ocean view end double suite for 60k p/n....................flawless rooms................and a lazy river , so I just tube up and put my velcro drink holder on the float and away I go
Stayed at the Holiday Inn Sunspree right down the road last month, and it was fine as well.....a little more laid back, and points were 35k p/n
Needless to say, neither location made any money from us, as we drank all of their profits.
well............gotta hit the nice bed here in a few............going golfing in 7 hours on their nice course.......................
dejamo, Dont look now, but I think Congress just raised your tax rate. If you hate the Marriiott so very much, why are you spending so much time on their Insiders website? Just why would it matter to you what we poor peons are up to? As for me, I would not go to Jamaica if someone gave me an all expense trip and paid me to boot. Right now I am in a lowly TownPlace Suites in Albuquerque on our way to Sedona for a week then to Vail for 7 weeks. More my style. You can spend your points and money your way, I will spend mine my way. "Watering" down the ELITE status at Marriott should be of no concern to you since you would not stoop to stay in one of their lowly hotels anyway. I do note that you have been to a Holiday Inn. I have not visited one of those for at least 15 years.
nadine...............thanks for your words of endearment in your blog above..........., you are correct in that tax rates did go up for everyone with a job as the ole 4.2 is now 6.2 for SSA. No matter to me, as everyone is feeling the bite of that one.
In regards to Jamaica, it is what you make of it. If you want to stay in your room or at the hotel all week, then you can be miserable if you desire. Some Marrirats may choose to do so at the lone hotel available. Others like me, have chosen to gravitate to competitors that provide more consistent, (and in a large percentage of their views), better service and benefits. Market saturation does not necessarily mean better service and benefits as we have all witnessed over the past few years on this blogosphere. So.......those that want to leave do so..........some of us still have tons of points to use, and use them for relatives, gift cards etc..... but, some of us are still awaiting the day when MRI finally does something to reward their customers with something besides kibbles. "THERE IS NO REASON" has been my reply over the past few years when I have been asked why, or if, one should try to get Lifetime P or Platinum Premier.
Personally, I havent cared myself..........but, I do like a good fight............
Still no breakfast for their "most valued customers" ? Still, no written documentation of what it takes to be a Premier? (moving target to keep those koolaid drinkers spending $$), Still, no free parking ?. Still, only a 50% points bonus ? Still, desk clerks that dont know what the hell a PP is? BUT.........we will give you 200 extra bonus points for stays now, and look..................we have a new topic on the blog..................and, oh dont forget we will randomly preregister you up for our overused, preheated, reconstituted, stale Megabonus based on your account history.......nevermind the fact that we tend to randomly assign your Megabonus.....we will just make you call and change it if you are lucky to get someone on the phone that says that they can do it.
It's amazing, isn't it........ that people really do want benefits for spending tons of money and many months away from their families in hopes of being treated a little special as a reward, only to find so much inconsistency and a general lackodaisical attitude at a significant number of properties. It makes your head spin when reading the same things over and over for years, with no movement on the core issues despite the continual."they know", "their forming groups to review", "we can't please everyone", "it is under discussion"...........blah...blah.....blah.........................
So when the stars align, the polar ice caps melt, gas goes back to 25 cents a gallon, and the Congress finally does their job, I assume that things will change for the better for those road rats that deserve it......
Hilton and IHG have progressed tremendously over the past few years, and in many a view............better benefits.........so yes.................I will stay right where I am.
Watering down the requirements for Emeritus Status just fills the prison with more inmates and makes them want to riot more................................."Peons" be damned............ You earn it............you deserve it................problem is, after you earn it.....you want something for earning it. Can't get that here. So like I said....................doesn't matter to me.......nothing to gain
Albuquerque............Sedona.......Vail.???????????? about 30-50 degrees too cold for me............I'll just stay here on the beach partying with Bob Marley
dejamo, I have done my time on beaches. I find that beaches are all up and down both coasts of USA, all over the Caribbean, Mexico (ugh), South Pacific, Mediterranean, etc. etc. Thus beaches are "watered down". Pardon the pun. You will not find nearly as many ski resorts so they are much more ELITE which seems to be very important to you. I still occasionally visit Hilton Head, or Maui, but never spend 7 weeks there as I will do in Colorado.
The increase in SS tax does not effect me as I no longer desire to work. Our fine government saved all that money I paid in during my working years and they are generously returning it to me every month. I did pay more than most into that "trust fund" as I limited out every year so I certainly deserve the perks and benefits I receive from that ELITE group.
As far as me being in Amarillo, Albuquerque, Sedona, we are making our way across this great country enjoying the scenery and people as we go. We only fly if going to Hawaii, Asia. or Europe as even with ELITE status, the airports and airlines treat you like a herd of cows. Except maybe for a recent first class experience on Hainan Air!
Marriott has been very good to me with free nights in Paris, London, Zurich, China, etc. As far as upgrades and breakfasts, we are at the mercy of check in people or front desk managers who think they own the hotel.
Don't get sunburned and I will try to stay warm. Not really that hard in the Colorado with 300 days of sunshine.
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